Commons:Village pump/Archive/2025/08

History split?

Looking at File:Zaxbys, Rome.jpg, this image was moved from Wikipedia back in 2012. Before it was moved, the uploader uploaded an original image (two versions, one color-corrected) - but then uploaded another image of the same location over that. The thing is, the original image is also a good image, and I'd like to split the image history to have both this (the current image) and this (the original, color-corrected image) as "live" images. Is there a way to do that? - The Bushranger (talk) 09:15, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@The Bushranger: Yes, please see COM:SPLIT.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 09:23, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Ah, so you have to be an admin in order to do it, since it involves deletion. Is there a place to request this? - The Bushranger (talk) 18:58, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@The Bushranger: Requests for splits go on Commons:History merging and splitting/Requests, and requests for Adminship follow Commons:Administrators/Howto.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 19:19, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! - The Bushranger (talk) 19:22, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@The Bushranger: You're welcome!   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by:   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 20:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Recategorizing IBM System/23 Datamaster contents into subcategories

I have created a new category, , removed the redirect and enabled the category and moved the pictures from into their corresponding subcategories. I would like to ask for some help since the two subcategories don't seem to find their corresponding wikidata item. I would like to ask for a revision of the work I have done myself in order to improve the outcome. Thank you in advance!

Buran Biggest Fan (talk) 07:20, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

•  Done. @Buran Biggest Fan: Here are the steps you left out: [1], [2]. - Jmabel ! talk 18:39, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you very much! Buran Biggest Fan (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

This section was archived on a request by: Jmabel ! talk 18:39, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

Misidentified

What is the name of the template we use to show that a caption or a file name is or the person in the image is misidentified? Should we add to it that "Versions of this image may appear elsewhere on the internet still misidentified". We correct our version but cannot correct the other versions online. RAN (talk) 04:45, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): are you talking about {{Inaccurate description}}? - Jmabel ! talk 05:15, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

• I think there was one with more text, but this one will do. I thought there was a specific one at Template:Disputed..., but I do not see it. Here it is: {{Fact disputed}}, same concept but in red text.--RAN (talk) 06:19, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

  If the title is factually wrong, the best course of action is to leave a message in the file's talk page and maybe notify the uploader. If you are very sure of what the title should be - or if some consensus has been reached in the talk page - you could use {{Rename}} to ask for the name to be changed. Pere prlpz (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Mass category rename

Hi, the category Category:Khatumo and all its subcategories will need to be renamed "Waqooyi Bari" since the state has had a rename. Is there anyone with tools, a bot or a script, or someone with knowledge thereof to do a mass rename? Or will it have to be done manually? Girligaanshub (talk) 07:34, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

There are tools that help with this, the main ones that come to mind are Cat-a-lot and AWB (AutoWikiBrowser). @Auntof6: has experience dealing with mass edits related to categories and might know more or be able to help. ReneeWrites (talk) 10:16, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@Girligaanshub and ReneeWrites: I find 436 categories that have the string "Khatumo" in the name. Seventeen of them appear to be redirects. If someone wants to verify that all these need to be changed, I could use those search results to generate a list of rename requests to hand to the bot User:CommonsDelinker. -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

436? Seems like overcategorization to me, a lot of those categories have one or even no files. Wowzers122 (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Per en:Talk:Khatumo State#Requested move 30 July 2025, although the state was indeed renamed to “Waqooyi Bari”, the users at en-wiki are waiting to see if there is an official English name for the state. So I think we should wait to see as well before renaming all the categories. Tvpuppy (talk) 11:38, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

@Auntof6: "Waqooyi Bari" literally means "north east"; I don't think it needs t be anglicized because (a) there's precedence for native renderings (example here), and the currently trending English rendering "North East federal state of Somalia" is too wordy for categories. Imagine for example the verbosity of category "Category:Maps of weather and climate of North East Federal State of Somalia". That title won't fit on a smartphne screen. As such, I would appreciate it if you could hand all current categories under the title "Khatumo" including variations like "SSC-Khatumo" to the bot User:CommonsDelinker for a name change to "Waqooyi Bari". Thank you very much, and I appreciate the help. Girligaanshub (talk) 13:58, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I think it would make more sense to keep Khatumo as a subcategory of Waqooyi Bari for that part of its history, like how Zaire is a subcategory of the DRC. Wowzers122 (talk) 16:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Disagreement over a category

So there is a bit of a dispute over the category Category:Lamune Onsenkan and Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa) being discussed at Category_talk:Lamune_Onsenkan.

I made the category Category:Lamune Onsenkan and moved 4 images from Category:Nagayu Onsen to it. I did so solely based on the fact that they were all of the same building and labelled as this same building.

They created the category Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa) 11 hours later and moved all of these files from Category:Lamune Onsenkan to Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa).

Both of us independently created wikidata entries on the topics, and I erroneously merged the wikidata entries but that conflict has been resolved.

Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa) is the parent organization of Category:Lamune Onsenkan.

Is there an actual formal policy on this issue? My thought is that because it does not appear that there are any photos of Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa) by itself, it should be a parent category containing Category:Lamune Onsenkan and Category:People of Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa) but no images. I think having all of the images in the top level category feeds a misconception that the Lamune Onsenkan building is the entirety of Daimaru Ryokan, when in reality it is just a single building in the complex. There are not good images of the entire complex but here is a birds eye view with google maps https://earth.google.com/web/search/Daimaru+Ryokan,+7992-1+Naoirimachi+%c5%8caza+Nagayu,+Taketa,+Oita,+Japan/@33.06941941,131.3837959,457.47335541a,119.9101215d,35y,-60.5609887h,17.48856925t,0r/data=CrQBGoUBEn8KJTB4MzU0NmM5ZGRiNDdkZTViZDoweDYzNDgxY2JlM2Y1YzI4YjkZAMPy59uIQEAha_EpAEZsYEAqRERhaW1hcnUgUnlva2FuLCA3OTkyLTEgTmFvaXJpbWFjaGkgxYxhemEgTmFnYXl1LCBUYWtldGEsIE9pdGEsIEphcGFuGAEgASImCiQJUTQCewCNQEARVD0j5ZWBQEAZWgCRL05tYEAhNYs6PEVrYEBCAggBOgMKATBCAggASg0I____________ARAA and here is street view https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0692755,131.3833934,3a,90y,109.68h,93.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLyeojkDk85J68Ls5mTOMZA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.744474460873988%26panoid%3DLyeojkDk85J68Ls5mTOMZA%26yaw%3D109.68240970887084!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDczMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D so it appears to be a rather large complex, with apparently Lamune Onsen being the only building to have many photos taken of it. Looking for things I did find one image I think is of Daimaru Ryokan which was unlabelled though File:忘れられない、長湯温泉 - panoramio.jpg Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:02, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Actually I misidentified buildings and the complexes are not even connected. https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Lamune+Onsen,+7676-2+Naoirimachi+%C5%8Caza+Nagayu,+Taketa,+Oita,+Japan/Daimaru+Ryokan,+7992-1+Naoirimachi+Oaza+Nagayu,+Taketa,+Oita+878-0402,+Japan/@33.0687787,131.3811538,19z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x353f0273012d9271:0xa154c576e605447f!2m2!1d131.3800693!2d33.0683315!1m5!1m1!1s0x3546c9ddb47de5bd:0x63481cbe3f5c28b9!2m2!1d131.383545!2d33.069211?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDczMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

I am very tempted to be bold and add

{{En|'''Lamune Onsenkan''' is a building of [[:Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa)|Daimaru Ryokan]] in [[:w:en:Taketa, Ōita|Taketa City]], [[:w:en:Ōita Prefecture|Ōita Prefecture]], [[:w:en:Japan|Japan]].}} [[Category:Daimaru Ryokan (Taketa)]]

to the category Category:Lamune Onsenkan. But I do not want to engage in edit warring.Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:20, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

You really should have pinged Japaneseviewtifullsaitoshiingu about this discussion. I am doing so now. - Jmabel ! talk 00:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

U4C call for non-voting candidates

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) has recently put out a call for people interested in becoming a non-voting member. Through last year's annual review, the community approved appointment of up to 4 non-voting members, and the U4C has now created a place and process for volunteers to express their interest. If you know of anyone who might be interested please point them out way. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask us (or ask me here). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

File:Restrictions in Grindr app.svg

I need a map update for en:Grindr, which is under UK government restrictions were enforced under the en:Online Safety Act 2023, per source: https://www.mambaonline.com/2025/08/01/grindr-introduces-mandatory-age-verification-in-the-uk/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Absolutiva (talk • contribs)

First of all, the file is supposed to show where restrictions were applied from the app to safeguard the lives of LGBT people in countries considered homophobic, e.g. general access restrictions. The UK restrictions are requiring age verification and do not seem to be a homophobic measure.

Based on this first observation, you need to say which new color you would like to have introduced. In my opinion however, that would be a whole new other topic: "Countries where the Grindr app is age-restricted by law", with the options of "unaccessible" (copied over from this map here), "age-restricted" (the UK), "not age-restricted" (the rest of the world). --Enyavar (talk) 10:29, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Probably just "age-restricted" then, in light green, but only Grindr safety measures were taken. Absolutiva 10:38, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Possible misidentification of astronauts

Hi, Please see en:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight#Possible misidentification of astronauts. Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to replace "Non-Falun Gong swastika"

In the context of addressing the recent overuse of "under section" templates (see discussion), I plan to replace all remaining uses of the {{Non-Falun Gong swastika}} template with {{Non-Nazi swastika}}, because the two countries mentioned in the former (China and Russia) are authoritarian regimes that block or restrict Wikimedia projects anyway (see Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Chinese sensitive content and Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Extremist symbol in Russia): however, the [edit: non-Nazi] swastika disclaimer still applies.

This is not yet a deletion request, because a number of files still use the {{Non-Falun Gong swastika}} template and would need to be updated to use {{Non-Nazi swastika}} instead. --Minoa (talk) 22:40, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Seems to me that the Falun Gong swastika is quite different from the Nazi swastika. File:Falun Gong Logo.jpg, for example, is currently tagged with both of these templates. It is precisely an image of the Falun Gong swastika, and could not readily be mistaken for a Nazi swastika except by someone who thinks that all swastikas are Nazi symbols. - Jmabel ! talk 00:42, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, the Falun Gong swastika looks quite different from a Nazi swastika and the Falun Gong swastika is not that different from a manji. Abzeronow (talk) 01:46, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

Not to worry, I am aware of the difference between religious and political swastikas: the proposal relates to a template that appears to apply only to China and Russia, both authoritarian regimes that block or restrict Wikimedia projects anyway. I also realise that duplication may be a second reason for phasing out {{Non-Falun Gong swastika}}, since {{Non-Nazi swastika}} also covers religious contexts (e.g. Hinduism and Jainism). --Minoa (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

How on earth did we end up in a situation where {{Non-Falun Gong swastika}} is used on File:Falun Gong Logo.svg? Surely the swastika in the Falun Gong logo is a Falun Gong swastika? In any case,  Support the removal of this template per Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Zionist symbol, Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Chinese sensitive content, and a number of other related discussions. The correct replacement is probably {{Non-Nazi swastika}}. Omphalographer (talk) 01:49, 5 August 2025 (UTC)